Present to Heal Part 2 – Lawson and Barbara Perdue

Present to Heal Part 2

Present to Heal Part 2 with Pastors Lawson and Barbara Perdue. In this episode, discover how you can know the will of God about divine healing. Receive the healing power of Jesus today!

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Present to Heal Part 2 Transcript

Praise the Lord, friends. I’m so glad that you’re connected with us. Please tell your friends about the broadcast. We are teaching today from Barbara’s series on “Present to Heal.” We’re gonna be talking about how you can know the will of God concerning divine healing. And faith begins where the will of God is known. So open your heart, receive the good word of God, and receive the healing power of Jesus today. Blessings. Praise the Lord, friends. I’m delighted to have you and be with you today. And we’re sharing the word of God concerning “Present to Heal.” We’re actually sharing from Barbara’s series on “Present to Heal” today and let your friends know about the broadcast. But you know, we’re answering the question, “Is it always God’s will to heal?” Because a lot of people really struggle with this issue, “Is it God’s will to heal me?” And faith begins where the will of God is known. So if you wanna operate in faith, and it takes faith to receive God’s grace and to receive the promises of God, then you need to know the will of God. And we can know the will of God from the scriptures.

I love the story that I’m gonna share here. And this is found in Matthew 8:1-3, and I like what you brought out that we’re talking about today. A lot of people I believe, they know that God is good. They know that he sent his son Jesus, but they are asking the question, “I know he can heal, but is he willing to heal me?” And so that’s what we’re answering today. And I love this. Again, this is Matthew 8:1-3. And it says “When he had come down,” talking about Jesus from the mountain, “Great multitudes followed him, and behold a leper came and worshiped him saying, ‘Lord, if you are willing, can you make me clean?'” This is with leprosy. This is something that, you know, there was at this time, you needed a miracle and he’s like, “I need a miracle. Are you willing to make me clean?” In verse three it says, “Then Jesus put out his hand.” I love that. Jesus put out his hand and touched him saying, and it’s in red ink in my Bible, red letter printing here. And it says, “I am willing. Be cleansed.” And I love it, it says, “Immediately his leprosy was cleansed.” So not only was he healed, but the stigma of having to be separated from people had come to an end.


A new life had begun.

You know, Jesus, after he healed the man, then told him in verse four, “Don’t tell any man, but go show yourself to the priest.” And the reason that Jesus told him to go to the priest was the law command that the person was healed, they would go show their yourself to the priest.

That’s right.

And the priest would declare that they were healed of leprosy. And then once the priest declared that they were healed, then they could reenter society. So Jesus told him, basically the scripture says, if you’re healed, you go show yourself to the priest. So since you’re healed, go show yourself to the priest. And you know, he asked Jesus this question, essentially, or he makes this statement, “If you will, you can make me clean.” You know, there are a lot of people like that today that they say, “We believe that God has the power, but we just don’t know if God is willing.” And, you know, the fact is, that’s kind of a vial accusation against the nature of God, against the character of God. It’s kinda like saying that I had the power to feed my children when they were young, and yet, maybe I wouldn’t, you know. Now, you know if I’m a good father and I have the power to feed my children, I’m gonna feed them. Well, you know, so questioning God’s will is really a greater accusation against the character of God than questioning his power. So he’s like, “Lord, I know you have the power. I just don’t know if you’re willing.” So I know you have the power, but I’m just not sure about your love in this matter.

That’s a good point.

It’s really a question of God’s love. And you know, when you know how good that God is and how much that he loves you, then you know that it’s God’s will to heal you. And we know that it’s God’s will to heal us. How can we know? We can know number one, because that’s the character and nature of God. God said in Exodus 15:26, “I am the Lord who heals you.” We can know because of what Jesus provided at the atonement, you know, in Isaiah 53:4-5, 1 Peter 2:24, Matthew 8:16-17. All those show us that at the cross, Jesus provided forgiveness for our sin and healing for our body, simultaneous. We can know because of the promises of God. Psalm 107:20, “He sent his word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.” Psalm 103:3, “He forgives all of our sin and he heals all of our diseases.” There are just multitudes of promises concerning divine healing. And we can finally know because of the life of Jesus. And there are 14 places it’s written in the New Testament, in the Gospels, and in the Book of Acts that they brought unto Jesus all who were sick. And he healed them, everyone. He healed every sickness and every disease among the people. It says that 14 different times, and Jesus came to put a face on God and to show us God. So we can know the will of God because of the nature of God, right? Because of the atonement, because of what Jesus provided in his death and resurrection. We can know the will of God because the promises of God. And we can know the will of God finally because of the life of Jesus. All of these things are consistent showing us that it is the will of God to heal us. And when we know the will of God, that puts us in a place that faith can really begin to, we can really begin to grasp on to the grace of God and receive the good things that Jesus has provided.

Yeah, that’s a good point. I like what you shared about really questioning his love. And the Bible tells us that you being evil, you as parents being evil know how to give good things to your children. How much more does God love us and wanna give us good things? And you also brought out understanding the nature and will of God. And the Bible also tells us that Jesus said, “You have seen me. You have seen the Father. And if you know me, you know the Father.” Jesus came teaching, healing. And I love, the whole ministry of Jesus, he was always going and picking the downtrodden and those cast off, picking them up, those who religion said, you know, “You’re sick because you did something wrong.

[Lawson] That’s terrible.

And, or, you know, had them separated from society like anyone with leprosy. And so, you know, we see that even today, people trying to be divisive about, you know, certain things and, “Oh my gosh, if you have that, I can’t be near you.” You know, years ago, it’d be if you sneeze, people would say, “God bless you.” Lately, it’s like if you sneeze, people, you know, hold up a cross and you know, like you got the plague. And so praise God. We’ve got some good news that Jesus is willing. Hallelujah, he is willing. And that word willing, the Greek word means this: to wish, desire. We’re talking about in the Bible that we just read. Will, take delight in. It carries the idea of being ready, preferring, and having in mind, “He delights in my healing.” That’s what that word means in the Greek, that he delights in my healing. So that is good news.

Amen, now if we move forward in your notes here in Matthew 8, right after he heals this leper, there is a Roman centurion that comes to Jesus. And he says, “Lord,” in verse six, “My servant lies at home sick of the palsy grievously tormented.” And Jesus said, “I will come and heal him.” Again, we have the affirmative words of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. “I will come and heal him.” And praise God, we can know, again, the will of God from the life of Jesus. And the centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that you would come under my roof, but speak the word only and my servant shall be healed. For I’m a man of authority having soldiers under me. And I say to this one ‘Go’ and he goes, and another ‘Come’ and he comes, and my servant ‘Do this,’ and he does it. And when Jesus heard it, he marveled and said to them that followed, ‘Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great of faith, no, not in all of Israel. And I say unto you, that many will come from the east and the west and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And therefore Jesus said to the centurion, ‘Go your way as you have believed. So be it done unto you.'” You know, the scripture says this over and over and over again, “As you have believed, so be it done unto you.” What do you want? What do you will? What is your faith? “According to your faith,” he says in many places, “Be it done under you.” And so that servant, it says “was healed in the same hour.” Praise God. So this is a great explanation. Again, Jesus said “I will come and heal him.” And so his will is true.

Amen. “I will come and heal him.” And we’ll bring this out a little bit more in the days coming ahead about really understanding the spoken word of God and understanding the authority. And, you know, I was, this was a number of years ago. I was with a friend we just met for lunch just to get together. And it was my friend who noticed the waitress looked like something was wrong, and my friend said, you know, “Do you have a headache?” Or she just looked like really sad. Something was really wrong, and my friend noticed it. So my friend said this to the waitress, “Would you like us to pray for you?” And what was, you know, for the most part, every time I’ve been out in public with whether it’s myself or with a friend and we ask if they like prayer, I have not had one person turn me down. And I was so surprised as my friend said, “Can we pray for you?” in the midst of this busy restaurant. This waitress put everything down and just stopped and said, “Yes, I would love if you would pray for me.” And we began to pray for her and minister to her. And she said immediately this headache left. But she was really thinking about someone else in her family. She was really, you know, sad about something. And anyway, her headache left immediately and it gave her hope and joy that God would even intervene in the situation she was worried about. I thought that was exciting.

[Lawson] You know, we don’t have to worry. We don’t have to fear. The Bible says, “Do not take thought,” you know, about tomorrow, about all these things. And a lot of times, I like to say, you know, that my grandmother was a professional warrior and I inherited our genes, but you know, we gotta let go of things, give it to God and cast our cares on him and trust him and believe the promises.


Believe the word of God. Believe what the Bible says about Jesus. Believe what the Bible says about you.

[Barbara] That’s right. We’re gonna go on, and we’re still in Matthew 8, and just read a couple more here. And it’s just really backing up what you just mentioned. And this is verses 16 and 17. Again, Matthew 8:16-17. And it said, “When evening had come, they brought to him many who were demon possessed. And he cast out the spirits with a word.” You know, you don’t have to have a conversation with a lying devil.

[Lawson] Amen.

You know, you speak God’s word. And I like what it goes on in says in verse 16. “And healed all who were sick.” Everything, a lot of times people think, “Well, God can heal someone else, but God can’t heal this specific disease I have.” Then it goes on in verse 17 and says, “That it might be fulfilled, which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet saying, ‘He himself took our infirmities and bore our sickness.'” Or in other words, removed it. Just actually totally removed it.

Praise God. So Jesus at the cross took our sin and took our sickness. You know, the same blood that purchased our forgiveness purchased our healing. We’re gonna be back in just a few seconds. So stay tuned. We’ll be right back. Praise the Lord, friends. We are teaching and sharing on the subject of divine healing. Thank God Jesus made provision for us at the cross. And we have just as much right to be healed in our body as we do to be forgiven for our sins. But how can we receive that in our life? We go through this in detail, and I have a healing bundle that I’m sharing with you. I want to get this to you. You know, the Bible says that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. And I know these teachings will build your faith. I have, first of all, my series on “Covenant of Healing,” and then I have my series on “The Cross is the Cure,” and then we have my wife Barbara’s series, and she’s a powerful teacher and ministers healing in a very powerful and anointed way on “Present to Heal” and how to receive divine healing and health in your life. And I want you to call in today and get this. It will help you build your faith and receive from God. Blessings. Praise the Lord, friends. We’re back, we’ve been teaching on the power of the Lord is present to heal, and God wants you to be healed. Well, it is God’s will for us to be healed. And Barbara has a verse she wants to read, and we’re gonna take off here.

I have another scripture I wanna read. And then I’m gonna have my husband read and talk about another amazing story of what Jesus did healing someone. But this is in Malachi 4:2. And it says, “But to you who fear my name, the son of righteousness shall arise with healing in his wings. And you shall go out and grow fat like stall-fed calves.” And praise God, I have this in another translation. You know, “He has healing in his wings,” it says, “And you shall go forth and leap for joy like young bullocks loose from yolks.” Hallelujah, he wants to release you from that yolk of sickness so that you can run out and jump up and skip and hop. And you know, there’s a story of a woman in the Bible who was literally tied up and bent over for 18 years. A lot of times people think, “This has been going on so long. It just must be my destiny to be like this forever.” So we’re gonna look at a story that talks about someone who Jesus set free. It is never too late to be set free and have all sickness and disease and oppression removed completely. So I’m gonna have you talk about this story in the Book of Luke.

Luke 13:10, “As he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath day, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity. For 18 years and she was bowed together and she could in no way lift up herself. And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him and he said, ‘Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.'” So he spoke a word of healing, a word of deliverance, a word of freedom and healing. And then in verse 13, he laid hands on her. Sometimes Jesus healed people with a combination.

[Barbara] That’s right. In this one, it was a combination of speaking, right? Laying on of hands, deliverance. All those things were being worked. “And immediately she was made straight and glorified God. And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation.” Look at this proud arrogance of religion. “Because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath day and it said unto the people there are six days in which men onto work, and them and come and be healed and not on the Sabbath day. And Jesus said, ‘You’re a hypocrite. Don’t each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox and his donkey from the stall and lead him away to watering?'” You know what? You take your cow, you take your donkey, you water them on the Sabbath day. And shouldn’t this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has been? Now there’s so many lessons right here in that verse. Number one, this woman is a daughter of Abraham. She has a covenant right to be healed. Satan has bound her. Sickness is the work of the devil. Praise God, the Bible says in Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus with the holy ghost and with power who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed of the devil. Jesus went about healing all who were oppressed of the devil. God the Father, amen, it was his will. It’s his promise. It’s his plan. Anointed Jesus the Son. God promised it. Jesus paid for the cross with the holy ghost and with power. The holy ghost gives you the power to receive the healing power of God. He says, “This woman whom Satan has bound these 18 years be loosed from this bond.” It was God’s will for her to be healed and to be set free from that demonic oppression. “And when he said these things, all of his adversaries were ashamed and all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him.” Praise God, Jesus is the healer. He’s the same yesterday, today, and forever. And his word is working. His word works in us. And you know what? If you’ll believe the word of God, it’ll work for you because God is no respective persons. God is only a respecter of faith.

Amen, I like that. It was interesting how there was very religious, you know, religion is just so critical, and it really gets people all tied up focusing on the wrong thing. Again, it’s all about, “Well, what did you do wrong?” Or, you know, “Should this person be loose?” And it’s about Jesus and how much he loves us. And there’s something I wanna go on and talk about. This is another thing. It goes on with what we’re teaching. People a lot of times think that they’re sick because they’ve been cursed. Jesus, God didn’t send Jesus to curse us. But again, to loose us from any bondage that the enemy, the devil is trying to put on you. And I love this. You shared a little bit, but this is found in Galatians and I might have you read it. This is Galatians 3:13.

[Lawson] Amen.

That you understand that you’re not, it’s not about that you’re cursed. Jesus came and took that. He exchanged places with us.

[Lawson] Praise God.

And maybe you already have that. Or I can, this is Galatians 3:13.

[Lawson] Amen.

And this is what it tells us. “Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.” You know, they were always trying to get Jesus tripped up in religious questions, but it says, “We’ve been redeemed from the curse of the law having become a curse for us, for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.'” You know, you talked about how Jesus said “You are loosed,” she was released, but people need to understand if you’re really thinking that you’re struggling or sick because you have a curse on you, Jesus took that. This literally talks about how he exchanged places with us.

I just wanna say something right here really quickly. And that is that God is not putting curses on any believer in any way, in any shape, in any form, period. And the reason is because Jesus took the curse for us at the cross. And that would be double jeopardy. If Jesus paid for and took the curse at the cross and became a curse for us, then why would God put a curse on us as believers? He’s not doing it. Praise God, that is not the work of God. Curses do not come from God. God is not the author of the curse. He is the author of the blessing. And if you’ve been thinking that you’re under some kind of curse, I’m telling you the power of God is greater than any power of the devil. God is not the one who brings a curse on you. And you can believe Jesus and be free from the curse and walk in the blessing. You know, verse 14 goes on to say this. It says “So that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ that we might receive the promise of the spirit in him.” Through faith in Jesus, we receive the promise of the spirit. So praise God, we are not cursed, but we are blessed in Jesus’ name. So get rid of that curse mentality and get a bless mentality and start moving into the things that God has for you.

Amen, and we’re just gonna share a couple more scriptures here in Ephesians that just help you understand that it’s really talking about grace. Again, it’s not our works and that these are a free gift that God has this for us. This is Ephesians 2:8-10, then honey, I’ll have you share more, but it says, “For by grace you have been saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works that anyone should boast. For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.”

Amen, so we’ve been saved by grace through faith. Now a lot of people don’t realize this, but the word for “save” there is the Greek word “sozo.” And that word, if you study this out in the strongest concordance, the word for save “sozo” includes forgiveness, healing, freedom, provision, and peace, protection. It’s all in that. To make well, to make whole, to be a spirit, soul and body. So part of salvation is healing, right? The word for salvation is “soteria,” right? That comes from sozo. Again, forgiveness, healing, freedom, peace, protection, provision. It’s all in salvation. So this is how we receive from God. It says “For by grace are you saved through faith.” Now, when it says for by grace are you saying, grace is talking about that’s what God did for us in the person of Jesus on the cross. Jesus is the embodiment of grace. You know, thank God for the grace of God that we’ve received in Jesus. And there is a grace for forgiveness, but there’s also a grace for healing. You know, in one of your teachings this week, we’ll teach from Luke 4. And Jesus said, “The spirit of the Lord is upon me because he’s anointed me,” to what? “To preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted.”

That’s right.

And just like Jesus was anointed to preach forgiveness, right? To preach the day of God’s acceptance, Jesus was anointed to heal the sick. Praise God, and the same blood of Jesus that purchased our forgiveness, our salvation, also purchased our healing. Thank God Jesus paid it all.

I love that. I just wanna go on with what you’re sharing, but Romans 10:13 tells us this: “Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” And like what you just brought out, the word saved means so much more than what a lot of people understand and that have been taught. It’s talking about all these different things to save, cure, preserve, keep safe, rescue. You know, it’s talking about your spirit, soul, and body. You know, years ago, when I was young, this was growing up as a very young girl, elementary age, elementary school age. My mother was really just oppressed and bound up with just, you know, depression and anxiety to the fact that she was on some medication, just she was so anxious, so fearful all the time. And so our whole life was built around this fear. And you know, one day, you know, I believe she watched some amazing Christian television and finally it connected the dots for her. She just, this was her testimony. She just called out in our little house, our little rental property, in the little bathroom, she said, “I just cried out to God and said help.” Basically, that was her whole prayer. She called out to be saved from just being bound up in her soul of just being so full of fear and anxiety. Just Jesus, if you can do something, well did you know what? Jesus answered her. Jesus can do something. And I saw it with my own eyes. My mother went from a fearful, full of anxiety, needing medicine to it’s like, in an instant, she turned to this woman who took the Bible, stood on the Bible, was a powerful, mighty woman of faith and power in an instant. A lot of times people are hopeless when it comes to depression. Well, can God heal that? Yes, you can praise have that joy that nothing can take away. I saw the power of God hit my mom in an instant. You can’t tell me that healing is not real.

Praise God. You know, Barbara experienced healing. She’s seen healing personally. I’ve experienced healing.

That’s right.

I’ve received healing. We’ve seen many people in our ministry of over 30 years be healed of many things that the doctors said were incurable. And many of them medically confirmed. We’re not talking about something that, you know, we just think at, we’re talking about medical confirmation of divine healing. And if you need healing today, if you need salvation, you know, Barbara quoted that scripture in Romans 10:13, “Whoever calls in the name of the Lord shall be saved.” I encourage you to call the number on your screen there. We have trained prayer ministers that are here, that are ready to minister the power of God, that are minister the healing virtue of Jesus to you, and minister the forgiveness of the Lord. So if you need prayer, give us a call today. Also, I wanna say great big thank you to our partners. Without you, it would be impossible for us to take this message around the world. And we’re sharing from, you know, 10 messages actually on this subject of healing. Barbara’s series “Present to Heal today. Call in if you want that product, if you need prayer, if you wanna become a partner, thanks so much. God bless you.

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