The Holy Spirit Part 4 – Lawson Perdue and Bobby Crow

The Holy Spirit Part 4 – Lawson Perdue and Bobby Crow

The Holy Spirit Part 4 from Pastor Lawson is joined by good friend Pastor Bobby Crow. In the fourth and final part of this series on Grace For Today, you’ll learn how to walk into the plans and purposes God has for your life through the power of the Holy Spirit.

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The Holy Spirit Part 4 Transcript

Welcome friends, to the broadcast. I’m so glad that you are tuned in today. We have some great things to share with you about moving into the plan and the purpose that God has for your life. God has good things available to you in Jesus, and it’s the Holy Spirit that helps you walk into those things that God planned for you from the foundation of this world. Thanks for staying tuned. Blessings.

Friends, I’m so glad that you’re with us today. I have Pastor Bobby Crow from Victoria, Mexico. We’ve been talking about how to be led by the Holy Spirit, staying full of God, and really about the Holy Spirit and our relationship with him and how that affects us in this world.

You know, Lawson, a lot of people they don’t fully understand. You know, they think, well, it’s only for pastors, or ministers, or evangelists. But I tell you, the anointing of the Holy Spirit is for every one of us. It helps us to live a victorious life. Problems come against everybody. We all have things come against us. But I tell you, when you’re full of the Holy Spirit, you just know that you’re more than a conqueror and you know that you can overcome whatever it is that comes against you. And, you know, God wants to use every one of us. One of the things that God really spoke to me about is miracles, you know? For years and years and years, I was always saying, “Oh God, I need this miracle. Then God, I need this other miracle.” And I kept praying and confessing for this miracle. And finally when I got it, then I had to go to this other miracle, and it was always, I was living from miracle to miracle. And I was reading one of Andrew’s books, and he was talking about the difference between miracles and the blessings of God on your life. And when I read that, I began to really pray and meditate on it. And God spoke to me that we should pray and confess that the blessings of the Lord or on our life every day. And I think it’s something that’s extremely important, and so I came up with this confession. I’ve shared it here in your church before. And, you know, what I did is I put my hand on top of my head ’cause I believe in the laying on of hands, you know? And I put my hand on top of my head and I make this confession. I said, I believe that the blessings of the Lord are upon my life today. I believe that prosperity is coming to me today. I believe I have divine health in my body. I believe I have peace in my heart. I believe I have favor with God and man. I believe I have the fire of the Holy Ghost in me. I believe I have the victory over all the works of the enemy, and I believe that I’m more than a conqueror in the name of Jesus Christ. I tell you when I started making that confession, it took a while for it to really get into effect in my life. But I’m telling you, Lawson, I began to see great changes take place.


In my life in the ministry, and I taught the same thing to my church. And so in every church service we have somewhere, and usually in the middle of the service, one of us, one of me or one of my associates, will lead the people in the laying. Put your hand on your head and let’s make this confession. So they make this confession out loud and, you know, it’s I believe. Now one of the things is if then I go into preaching and if in the middle of my preaching I said, you know what I believe and everybody puts their hand on top of their head.

You know what, the word of God is powerful and the word of God is powerful in our mouth.


And, you know, I teach very strong on believing and speaking the word of God. And, you know, there’s people that don’t like that teaching. But the Bible says in Proverbs 18:21, “Death and life are in the power of the tongue. Those who love it shall eat the fruit thereof.”


Jesus talked about have faith in God. “For whoever will say to this mountain, be thou removed and be thou cast in the sea and not doubt in his heart, but believe those things which he sayeth shall come to pass, shall have whatsoever.” He says in Mark 11:22-23. And then Paul said in 2 Corinthians 4:13, he says, “We then having the same spirit of faith according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken. Even so we believe and therefore we speak.” So, you know, we have a scriptural precedent. Plus James chapter two, numbers… James chapter three, excuse me. Numbers of places in the scripture where this is really taught. Now we’ve developed a number of things in our church to help people with this. I have confession cards. And on these confession cards, I have one and we have scriptures that go with them for divine healing. And all these different things that we speak concerning my body is the temple of the Holy Ghost. I’m healed by the Lord. You know, by the stripes of Jesus, I’m healed, I’m healthy and I’m strong, and I’m doing the will of God. No plague comes near my dwelling. And we have one on healing, and then we have one on who I am in Christ. I am the righteousness of God in Christ. I’m blessed and highly favored of the Lord. No weapon formed against me prospers. I’m justified, I’m sanctified by the blood of Jesus. Greater is he that’s in me than he that’s in this world. So I have one on who we are in Christ, what we have in Christ, and then I have one on provision. You know, I have favor with God, I have favor with men. You know, I have a good understanding. I have supernatural increase. I have everything I need to do everything God called me to do. I have no lack in any area of my life. My God supplies all of my needs according to his riches and glory. And it’s amazing when you take these things that the scripture says and you begin to speak ’em how that will change your life. Because see, God in the beginning what created by the spoken word, and I believe when Paul says we then having the same spirit of faith. I believe that ultimately came from God right in the beginning and then David got ahold of it, and then Paul got ahold of what David said. But it’s that same thing, we’re created in the image of God. Now, I’m gonna offer this to you free of charge for anybody who will call in today and give us your email address so that we can add you to our email, let you know some of the things that we’re doing. We will send these out to you if you’re here in the Continental United States of America. We’ll send these confession cards out to you absolutely free of charge, and you can begin to speak these. I have a man in my church, he’s 83 years old. He just told me he runs a haul off business. He told me, “Pastor, I had supernatural increase this week.” He said, “I had one location call me and we took 15 dumpsters to one location in two days.” He said, “That’s supernatural increase.” He told me a while back, he said, “Pastor, I had so much increase this week we had to total up what we had come in to figure out what our tax was three times to make sure it was right.” He’s 83, his wife is 79. But he took two things that I say and he put them together. We put ’em on a coffee cup, made ’em for people. But he says, I have favor with God, I have favor with man, I have a good understanding, and I have supernatural increase. And listen, he’s 83, he’s not looking for a rocking chair. Man, this man is looking for how he can be a blessing and how he can make a difference in the kingdom of God. And praise God if people would get this attitude, but when you begin to speak those words, you know, I did it because there’s a lot of people worried about inflation and all this. We bought 500 of these, we sold ’em so fast you couldn’t shake a stick at it. And, you know, but we got people. I said, if you’ll believe and speak the word of God, it will change your life.

Well, this is one of the things. I believe there’s a guarantee that comes with that. When you begin to confess the blessings of God on your life, I guarantee you, you’ll begin to see these, you’ll begin to see all these changes. You’ll begin to see the blessings of God, you’ll begin to see finances coming, you’ll begin to see divine health in your body. All of these things, they are so important. They come with a guarantee.

Amen. Praise God. The word of God. You know, the promises of God are guaranteed to us by Christ’s work. You know, Hebrews 7:22 says that, “He is a surety of a better covenant.” Jesus is the guarantee. It’s not about our performance, it’s about what Jesus did. But then what I’m saying by believing and speaking the word, we’re agreeing. We’re not trying to move God, but we’re agreeing with what Christ did on the cross and made available in his death and resurrection.

Now, here’s one of the things. People need to understand this, you know, they don’t fully understand the anointing of the Holy Spirit and what the Holy Spirit can do in your life. But here’s the deal, some people say, well, if Jesus was only here. Well, Jesus could be here on this earth, but he might be over in Denver. He might be up at Woodland Park, he may be somewhere else, but he’s not, but the Holy Spirit is. And so the Holy Spirit’s here, he’s in you, he’s there, he’s in this city, that city. He’s everywhere. That’s a whole lot better than having the physical body.

Jesus said this in John 16:7. He said, it’s very necessary. It’s expedient for you that I go away because if I don’t go, then the Holy Spirit won’t come.

That’s right.

And when he comes, he will convict or convince the world of sin, righteousness, and of judgment. Of sin because they believe not on me of righteousness, because I go on to my Father. I believe the Holy Spirit convicts us that Jesus is the righteousness of God and he makes righteousness or right standing with God available to every person in his death and resurrection. And then of judgment because the prince of this world, Satan, has already been judged. He’s a defeated foe. But he didn’t stop there. That was to the world. Then he said, I have a lot of things to tell you as his disciples, but you cannot bear them, you cannot understand them, you cannot grasp them now because until Jesus rose from the dead and sent the Holy Spirit, they knew the Holy Spirit because his presence was with them in Christ but they didn’t have the Holy Spirit living in them. Like the resurrection of Jesus made a reality, the born again experience. But when you’re born again and have believed on Jesus, now you have the living reality of the Holy Spirit living in you. And now the Holy Spirit, Jesus said, “I’m sending the Holy Spirit. he’s gonna take the things that are mine and that are Father’s, and he’s gonna reveal them to you. So I believe the Holy Spirit leads us into that perfect plan and purpose of God for our life.

Yeah. Well, the Holy Spirit, you know, reveals to us Jesus because we have in us, we have Jesus. We have the Holy Spirit, and we actually have God also. So all three are in us. And I believe that one of the things of the Holy Spirit enables us or helps us to understand that in us is all of the Godhead, in us is the Holy Spirit that we if we believe God, that nothing is impossible for us. And that we’re more than conquerors. This is one of the things people, so many people today just live a defeated life and that’s not the will of God. He wants us to be victorious every day of our life. Live that victorious life, you know? The town I live in is called Sida Victoria.

[Lawson] City of victory.

The city of victory. That’s a great place to live. But I have to remind myself not that I just live in the city, but I have the victory living inside of me through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Amen. You know, Colossians two says that what you’re talking about. It says “That Jesus is the head of all principality and authority, and you are complete in Him.” He said, “The fullness of the Godhead bodily dwelled on our Lord.” And then he says, “You are complete in him who is the head of all principality and authority, or all principality and power.” So we’re complete. We don’t lack anything. We have everything we need to do everything that God called us to do because of Christ in us, because of God in us, because of the Holy Spirit in us. We’re gonna be back right after this break. So stay tuned. Friends, I wanna share about the special offer that we have today. You know, we’ve been teaching about spiritual gifts and not to be ignorant and we have some great teaching available on this. I have a series on “Understanding Spiritual Gifts,” which is on the nine manifestations of the Holy Spirit. I have a teaching on “Gifts, Gifts, And More Gifts,” which is talking about the nine manifestations of the Holy Spirit, it’s talking about the five ministry gifts given by Jesus, and also the seven motivational gifts which I believe are given by God the Father. And so there’s a lot of instruction and teaching to help you move forth in the anointing that is on your life. And finally, with this package, I’ve included this book, “Absolute Victory in Christ,” where we talk about receiving Jesus as your savior, being baptized in the Holy Spirit, which is like a doorway into all these gifts, and believing the word of God. You don’t have to be ignorant concerning spiritual gifts. Friends, I’m so glad that you stayed with us and, you know, what a marvelous thing that we’ve been talking about. We’ve been talking about the Holy Spirit, his ministry in our life, and what God has given us in Christ. And, you know, the Holy Spirit came to make real the things that Jesus did for us. Paul talks about that a little bit here, and I wanna share this scripture really quickly. But in 1 Corinthians chapter two, and this really ties together what we’ve been talking about. He says in verse nine, “Eye has not seen nor ear heard and either entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him. But God has revealed them to us by his Spirit.” See, a lot of people quote verse nine, but they don’t move into verse 10. He says, “For the Spirit searches all things, yea the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of man, which is in him. Even so the things of God knows no man but the Spirit of God. Now we have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit, which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.” The Spirit of God reveals to us the things that are freely given to us by God. Thank God for our relationship with the Holy Spirit.

Yeah. Thank God. And, you know, these different programs that we’ve been doing, you know, we want people to understand, we want you to receive the greatest blessings of God in your life, and one of the things is that we are encouraging you that if you’ve never received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you need to pray and receive it and let God fill you to overflow. You have Jesus living in your heart, but Jesus said, you need to be filled with the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit comes and will help you to live an overcoming life. And I think that is so important. One of the things people, I just mentioned to Lawson a while ago, his church here is such a tremendous church that it honors God and it’s following the leading of the Holy Spirit. There’s not a lot of churches that do what this church does, and has the freedom and encourages people and blesses people because of the anointing. I tell you, if you’re not a member of a church, you need to come and become a part of Charis Christian Center because I believe God has something very special for you and it’ll cause your life to improve and be much better.

Amen. And, you know, we believe everybody ought to be a part of a church. You know, we have a lot of people that come here to church and then they go some other place in the country and they say, “We can’t find anything like this.” Well, one thing you can do is you can tune in online. You know, and I’d much rather worship in person, but at the same point in time if you can’t get that, you can come get some spiritual food here. And we live stream all of our services Sunday morning at 8:30 AM 10:30 AM Mountain Time. We live stream our service Wednesday night at 7:00 PM Mountain Time, and we have people literally that watch us around the world. We have people in Asia, we have people in India, we have people in Italy that watch us on a regular basis. We have people in Europe and England. We have people in Hawaii, we have people all across the United States that are watching our broadcasts and really getting fed, you know, the word of God. And thank God, you know, for all these different tools that God has given us. And really, we make these broadcasts available to help people and minister to people. And we make this available absolutely free of charge. People can get on our website, and I’ve spent thousands and thousands of dollars and hired personnel. We developed a new website. You can go search for faith or grace or healing or the blessing of God, prosperity, different things. and you can go on our website and search that and you can watch that absolutely free of charge. You know, this is a great blessing. My son, Aaron, you know, he went to a secular college. He went to Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and he studied business and administration and music. But at the same time he was getting his four year degree, his BA, he listened to nearly every teaching that Andrew Wommack had. Praise God, they were all on the internet. And he would listen to these and you know what? He was getting educated in another way. And then he went to Rice University and got his masters and his doctorate. And while he was there, he went to Joel Osteen’s church but he tuned in nearly every Sunday and watched us online. But, you know, God blessed him and helped him and he didn’t even know at that point in time that God was gonna call him into the ministry. And, you know, he actually started when he was in Rice University started dating a girl and she was born again, right? Catholic, and he took her to Joel’s church. But she told him just a little bit, she said, “Aaron, I can’t marry you.” She said, “You’re gonna be a pastor.” He said, “Daddy, this is so interesting.” He said, “She knew I was gonna be a pastor before I knew I was gonna be a pastor.” But, you know, he took her and coached her at one of these big auditions and she won the audition. It was, you know, in the Midwest somewhere One of the largest, you know, deals, orchestras in the nation. And she won the audition, but they didn’t give her the position. But then she ended up winning Quebec, you know, and in Montreal, Quebec, she is the principal flute player. And Aaron actually was playing at the National Flute Convention in Washington, DC. There were 14,000 people that were attending that convention. And he was playing with four people in the largest venue there for 7,000 people every night. They had the principal of Chicago, I think they had the principal instructor at Northwestern University, five of the top flute players. He was playing with four others in the world, and he was handpicked to play there. He played for National Public Radio, he’s traveled all over the world and played, and, you know, when we were praying ’cause Max Cornell, my assistant pastor at that point in time, who’s one of the top graduates from Charis Bible College, he came and worked with me for three years. And then he said, Pastor, I’m gonna go to Kansas City and plant a church.” We said, “It’s time.” And so we had about a year, you know, and he said, I’m gonna be going next year, and we actually invested in him, sowed a big seed and helped him go plant a church. He’s got a great church, Charis Church there in the western part of Kansas City, Kansas. And he’s a great pastor, but I was talking to him about different things and I talked to him about something he said, “No, that’s not right.” And then I talked to him about Aaron. He said, “That’s right. That’s what you need to do.” So I talked to all my mentors, talked to Andrew Wommack, and different leaders that I had in my life at that point in time. And then I talked to my advisory board here at the church and they all agreed, except for one lady. She says, “Pastor, I don’t know. I just say I don’t know.” But then when Aaron came in about 30 days, she said, “This is God, and this is right.” But Aaron, I said, “Aaron, you don’t need to…” I had asked him about a year before and I said, “You don’t need to make this decision. You got six months to make it.” Well, he was playing there in Washington DC at this great venue. And while he was there, the Lord spoke to him and he said, “Aaron,” he said, you know, “I want you to go do this.” And Aaron called me and said, “Dad, I’m gonna come.” And he says, “It’s not about a paycheck, it’s not about a position, but it’s about the call of God. This is what God wants me to do” And, you know, I believe just like God has a plan for my life, for Bobby’s life. You’ve been in the full-time Fivefold ministry for nearly 60 years. Barbara and I have been in the full-time Fivefold ministry pastoring for over 30 years. But I believe that God has a perfect plan for every person that’s here on this earth. And I believe the way that we find it is through first of all, being born again and knowing Christ as our savior. But secondly, receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And I believe that our relationship with the Holy Spirit is so important in helping us walk out the plan and the purpose of God for our life. God has a great plan for all of us.

Yeah, God has a plan for everybody’s life. A lot of people, you know, they may not fully understand it. But here’s one of the thing. God doesn’t make disposable people.

[Lawson] That’s right.

He has a plan and a purpose for everybody. You may not know what it is right now, but if you’ll take time to pray and seek the will of God, he’ll begin to show you. It may not happen overnight, but step by step God will begin to give you you direction, just like he did with Aaron. It didn’t happen just overnight, but step by step God was preparing him and getting him ready to come here to be with you in this great ministry. And the same thing with everybody that’s watching. God has a plan and a purpose for you. You know, it may be to be in the ministry or it may be just to have a secular job or whatever it might be. But whatever it is, it is a very good plan, and it’s not something that has no value to it. Everything has a value to it in the eyes of God.

Amen. And so thank God for that and, you know, if you wanna move into this purpose and plan, you need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.


And, you know, if you haven’t already received that and prayed with us, you can call in and pray. You know, with our ministers here, and we have a lot of people call in and receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit, receive healing, receive salvation. All of these wonderful gifts, you know, that God has given us and it’s marvelous. And remember, you know, that I offer that free today, these confession cards. You can have those free if you call in, and we really appreciate you. Bobby, before we go off, why don’t you pray for the people, minister to the people. Do whatever you feel led to do here.

Let me pray for you. Listen, God wants to bless you, wants to bless your life. God has great things for you if you’ll just learn to believe God and seek his will. Let me pray for you right quickly. Father, in the name of Jesus, for the people that are watching this program, Father as their heart has a desire to serve you and to know you, may your Holy Spirit speak to them, give them direction, help ’em make the right decision. And Father, may they get involved and part of a church that is full of the Holy Spirit that’s going forward to reach the world. Father, I thank you that you’re blessed them, that they’re blessed, they’re prosperous, they have divine health in their body. Thank you Father for blessing ’em. Today is a great day for them. In Jesus name.

Amen. And, you know, we thank God for you. Please tell your friends about the broadcast. And remember, you know, not only can you see this on television, but you can get this on our website. We make every week’s broadcast available at the beginning of the week on our website. Like I said, that costs me thousands of dollars to do that and hire all the staff and personnel. But it’s available and it’s absolutely, you can watch it right there on the website free of charge. You can listen to almost, you know, hundreds of teachings really. Free of charge, you know, right there on the website. So if you’d like to do that, check out our website at But if you need prayer, be sure and call us today. We have personal prayer ministers to minister to you. We’re so glad that you’ve tuned in, and we want you to remember how much Jesus loves you and how amazing the Holy Spirit, the gift of God is for you. Blessings.

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