The Divine Imagination Part 4 – Lawson and Aaron Perdue

The Divine Imagination Part 4 – Lawson and Aaron Perdue

The Divine Imagination Part 4 from Pastors Lawson & Aaron Perdue. In this episode of Grace For Today, you can better understand how the blood of Jesus affects your soul and finally break out into all that God has for your life.

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The Divine Imagination Part 4 – Transcript

Friends, it’s great to have you with us on the broadcast today. I have my son Aaron, teaching today from his series on the Divine Imagination. And in this specific lesson today, I got some phenomenal revelation as Aaron taught this in the church. And you need to get this teaching. I believe it’s gonna help you break out into the things ultimately, that God has for you. Blessings.

It’s great to have you today. We’re sharing from my son Aaron’s teaching on the Divine Imagination. And Aaron, I’m super excited about this lesson today. You shared some things, and I’ve never heard anybody talk about it. And it really, I’ve taught these Scriptures, but I’ve never saw it in that way. And so, I just want you to get into the Word of God, and we’re gonna move into this. I think you’ll get some great things from this that will help you move into what God has for you.

If you have your Bible, go ahead and turn to Hebrews 9. We’re gonna get into Hebrews 9 here, very soon. I wanna talk about how the blood of Jesus affects your soul. We’ve been talking about the divine imagination, which is a part of your soul. The imagination that’s part of your heart, part of your soul, part of your thoughts, your attitudes, your dreams. So I wanna talk about how God wants to affect your soul, affect your imagination. And He really did that through the blood of Jesus. So, the blood of Jesus can actually affect, it can cleanse, it can purge that part of your being, your soul. So, I’ve seen this just in my six years of ministry, where I’ve met some people who’ve been through very, very tough situations in life, you know, maybe they’ve experienced a lot of trauma, these types of things, but the blood of Jesus can actually purge, can cleanse your conscience, can cleanse your soul with that. So it doesn’t have to just eat away at you all the time, like it might affect some people in the natural. So.


So we’re gonna kind of talk about this. So let’s go ahead and just dive right into Hebrews 9. Let’s start in verse six. I wanna start in verse six. So it says, Hebrews 9:6. “Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle performing the services. But into the second part, the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood.” So he’s kind of talking about the similarities between the old covenant and the new covenant, and specifically talking about the blood sacrifices.


Now, we know doctrinally, that without blood, there can be no.

Remission of sin.

Remission of sin.

Hebrews 9:22 says that. Now when you’re talking about this tabernacle, right? The holy place, right, represented the soul. And it had an altar, it had a table of show bread, and it also had the lampstand. And those relate to the mind, will, and emotions. The most holy place where God dwelt, related with the Ark of the Covenant and the covenant. And it related to God’s presence among His people, relates to the spirit of man. And so, this fits right in with what you’re teaching about how in the imagination it’s part of your soul. And you’re talking about how the blood purges our consciousness, as you move forward. And that’s the area of our soul, right? From old covenant thinking to new covenant thinking. And from a performance mentality to a grace mentality, right? There’s some great things you’re gonna get from this.

Yeah, and even your identity, how you see yourself, that relates to your soul. A lot of people have identity crises sometimes, you know, we talk about men having a midlife identity crisis. Some, you know.

I got a close personal friend who I heard something and I believe he’s just went through a identity crisis. And it’s a terrible thing. It can.

God doesn’t want that.

It doesn’t have to be that way.

God doesn’t will that for people. So, it says here in Hebrews 9:7, “But into the second part, the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance. The Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered, which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience.” So it’s saying in the Old Testament, when they made these blood sacrifices, it couldn’t really perfect the people in their conscience.


Maybe it could relieve their conscience, but it couldn’t purge their conscience. It couldn’t cleanse their conscience. So it says, “These are only concerned with foods and drinks, various washings and fleshly ordinances, imposed until the time of reformation.”

Now, let’s talk about that, because we understand the reformation in the church age, right, from Martin Luther, right? Moving out of the Catholic church into the, you know, what we understood as the Lutheran time. But this reformation is talking about what happened between the old covenant and the new covenant, when Jesus shed His blood in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. So, I like to say the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus changed everything. Praise God! And praise God! And it not only changes spiritually speaking, who you are.

Changes your soul.

Changes your thinking.

Your conscience, yeah.

From old covenant, right? From negative thinking, from unthankfulness to thankfulness, to possibility thinking, seeing the promises come to pass in your life of the new covenant. Great.

So let’s go on in verse 11. It says, “But Christ came as the high priest of the good things to come with a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is, not of this creation, not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood, He entered the most holy place for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying in the flesh. How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.” I love what he’s talking about how if the blood of bulls, goats, the ashes of a heifer. You know, just a few months ago in the news, there was a big thing about some news happening in Israel that there were five pure red heifers sent from Texas actually, to Israel. And it was a big deal and a lot of even prophetic people started talking about it, because they saw this as a sign of like that old covenant, you know, sacrifice being fully restored because.

And I don’t know anything about that, but I will tell you something about the blood of Jesus.

But we have something more excited to, this is what my revelation is. That we have something today, much more excited to be about in terms of sacrifice, and that is the blood of Jesus. I don’t really care what pure goats or bulls or heifers is in Israel today. I care about the blood of Jesus, ’cause this is what, this is what cleanses.

The blood of Jesus.

It’s not the ashes of a heifer.

From dead works. And notice verse 13. It says, “They sanctified to the purifying of the flesh.” So those Old Testament sacrifices dealt with the flesh, dealt with the physical man, dealt with the outward man. And like you said, it might have eased your conscience. Right? Some of those things. I believe that that was the mercy of God. But he says in verse 14, “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit, offered Himself without spot, purge our consciousness from dead works to serve the living God.” So that takes us from a performance mentality, right? To a grace mentality. From our works to His works. But you also begin to talk about how it changes the way you see yourself, and how you see yourself going places and doing things. Now, share some about that.

Well, even one person I like to look at, just speaking about this radical transformation in someone’s heart and someone’s soul and someone’s imagination would be Paul, the apostle Paul. You know, before he met Christ on the road to Damascus, he said, “I kept the law perfectly. I was very zealous for God.” You know, he even killed Christians out of his zeal, to be holy through his own performance. So, even Stephen.


He was there when Stephen was martyred, when Stephen was stoned to death. You know, Stephen declared that he saw Jesus at the right hand of the Father, and they stoned. And it said that they laid, you know, their coats at Paul’s feet, at Saul at the time, Saul of Tarsus at his feet. So he was taking responsibility for this. So yeah, and later he came, you know, he had an encounter with Jesus, was filled with the Spirit, born again. And you know, Paul could have dealt with a lot of guilt, a lot of anguish, a lot of–

Yeah, you talked about how.

Self condemnation over what he had done before.

He was filled with exceeding rage.

Yeah, when he was in Acts 26, when he was sharing his testimony to King Agrippa, it said, “I was filled with an exceeding rage.”


And then, look at the transformation when he was ministering to people, you know, he was willing to be stoned, to be beat, to be shipwrecked, to even die.


To preach Jesus.

He said, “I wish myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren in Israel.” So, you know, he had such a heart of compassion. So, God completely turned that situation around.

But he could’ve, you know, the devil, the devil really limits people with shame and guilt. Really, Paul, Paul could have struggled and been crippled in this calling that Jesus had, if he let shame get ahold of him, but instead, he let the blood of Jesus purge his conscience.


From those dead works. From that.

Right. Okay. Or from our natural thinking to spiritual thinking, from poverty thinking, to prosperity thinking, from sick, weak, poor thinking, right, to blessed thinking. And I like one thing that you shared when you shared this, you talked about how your wife, Heather, before you got married.

Yeah, I can share the story.

Go ahead and share that story.

Yeah, before I got married, my wife, she had been married before, she’d been married seven years. Her husband passed away. She moved here to go to Bible school. We met actually, her first Sunday at church. Church is a great place for God to make things happen in your life, the local church. And we met on the first Sunday and you know, maybe a month or two later, actually started hanging out, spending time together, eventually going on dates. And kind of, initially she broke things off, ’cause she didn’t want to get in a serious relationship. She didn’t want to get married. She just, you know, she had had a, you know, difficult marriage before. And just going through her husband being sick for a long time. It really burned her on marriage. She didn’t want to do it, but God put it on her heart, you know, like you need to have a relationship with Arron. And we eventually got engaged, but still, she wasn’t super excited about having a big wedding. I kind of told her as a pastor, I think she just wanted to have a simple, maybe just fly away somewhere, just the two of us. Just have a simple wedding. Not make a big deal out of it. But I told her just, I really wanted to be an example to other young people at the church. And generally, it’s better to get married with a congregation of witnesses to celebrate along with you. And really, like, I also didn’t want to leave people out, you know, ’cause there’s a lot of people I wanted to invite. I know my parents and family wanted, her family wanted to invite, but I didn’t want to just accidentally leave someone out, because we’re gonna be inviting so many people. So we just opened it up to the whole church, just an open invitation to the wedding. I think we had 400 people there or something. But initially when she bought a dress for this wedding, she just got on eBay and bought a dress from China for $100. And maybe, maybe–

And, you know, there’s no sin in that.

Yeah, no, that’s fine. But a couple of months later, just God put on her heart like, she needed to buy a new dress. And I could tell, like, she actually went and went wedding dress shopping and called me or told me later that day, like, “I actually bought a really nice dress.” And she went to a very nice boutique and she said, “I just, you know, just pointed at the dress in the window,” and said, “I want that one.” And usually they put the nicest, most expensive dress in the window. And I just asked her, you know, “Well how much was it?” And she thought I’d be upset, ’cause I’m kind of the frugal, you know, Dave Ramsey says, “There’s savers and there’s spenders.” I’m the saver and she’s a little bit more than the spenders. She said, “Well, it was actually $4,000,” which is quite a bit for a dress. And she thought I’d be upset, but I was actually happy because that was a symbol to me of God working in her heart. You know, she wasn’t really excited about having a big wedding at first, just, you know, I’m just gonna get $100 dress, but now I’m excited. I’m gonna buy the very best dress. And God actually, just shortly after that, God confirmed that she did the right thing. Another single mother here at the church, who’s actually an immigrant from another country, doesn’t have a lot of money, just approached Heather and gave her $1,000 cash and said, “This is for your dress.” She didn’t know what type of dress Heather had just bought, but it made her excited, ’cause she didn’t feel guilty about.

Yeah, well, did you know what? And sometimes, there has to be a change of thinking. And I’ve thought about the blood purging our conscience, right, from a sin consciousness to a righteousness consciousness. But I never thought about it purging our consciousness from a poverty consciousness to a prosperity consciousness. And I believe the blood of Jesus can do that. Praise God! From an old covenant consciousness, right? A performance consciousness to a grace consciousness. And you know, we begin to think differently, right? When we allow the blood of Jesus to do that work. And I’ve had a revolution in the way that I think in that area. You know, your mom and I got married, our whole wedding, everything, I don’t think cost over $1,000, and we had a big wedding.

Well, yeah, there’s poverty mentalities, there’s sin mentalities, there’s even sickness mentalities, where people just.

Right. And so, you not only need to let the blood purge you, right, from a performance mentality, a legalistic mentality or a sin mentality, to a righteousness mentality, but you need to let the the blood purge you from a sickness mentality to a healed and healthy mentality. You need to let the blood purge you from a anxiety mentality to a peace mentality. You need to let the blood purge you from a poverty mentality to a prosperity mentality. And we’re gonna come back right after this break, and we’re gonna go into some of these verses later in Hebrew 9, and see. You’ll see this in the Scripture. It’s even reiterated more, later here in Hebrews 9. So stay tuned. We’ll be back right after this break. Friends, I wanna share with you about our special product that we’re offering. I’m teaching, and with my son Aaron, also with Jesse Duplantis on a couple of different things. Number one, insights to faith. Jesse Duplantis made a statement years ago in my church as he was ministering and it, I just haven’t been able to let go of it. He said, “Most of the time, in the realm of faith, I made a decision and God backed it.” We’re gonna talk about that. We’re also talking about this. My son, Aaron’s, one of his newest series, the Divine Imagination, tremendous, tremendous revelation, that I believe will help you move into the plans and the purposes of God. And also my series, The Power of a Positive Imagination, one of my most requested series. You want to get this product. If you can’t call in and get it physically, you can watch it online for free or you can pay a small fee and download this information on our website at Friends, we’re so glad that you stayed with us, and we’ve been talking in Hebrews 9. And man, when you made that statement, Aaron, and were talking about how the blood changes our consciousness and it purges our mentality. Not only our spirit, but our mentality. You know, he talks here in Hebrews 9 about, or Hebrews about having our conscious, you know, cleansed from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water of the Word. We need to see what God’s promised us and move into these things. I said before the break that we would move into this and see this. He goes on and says this in verse 15. “For this cause, Jesus is the mediator of this new covenant, that by means of redemption are purchasing out of the transgressions that were under the first testament, that those who were called might receive the promise of an eternal inheritance.” So Jesus purchased the promise for us. And so, not only promises right, of forgiveness, but also, promises of healing, promises of provision. Praise God, I like something Mark Hankins says, “We are blood blessed.” Amen. And you see this. And then he goes on and basically says, a covenant, right? A testament, a last will and testament doesn’t have any effect until the person who made it dies. So Jesus died to enact this covenant of God, this last will and testament, but He rose again to carry it out. And then he says, “This Old Testament,” right, in verse 18, “was not dedicated without blood. And Moses,” he says in verse 19, “when they were dedicating this covenant, in the old covenant took the blood of calves and goats and water and scarlet, wool and hyssop, and he sprinkled the book,” right? “And then the people.” So, and he said, “This is the blood” in verse 20, “of the testament of the covenant.” This is God’s covenant. This is not the covenant of Lawson Perdue or Jesse Duplantis or Andrew Wommack, but this is the covenant of God. And he said that God has enjoined to you. So God has enjoined the covenant to us by the blood of Jesus. Thank God for the blood of Jesus.

And really, yeah, the blood of Jesus. I love that it says, “It purges your conscience.” It purges your soul, your mind. And we’re kind of talking about just symbols in the Old Testament, and how they relate to the New Testament. Priests would actually wear this sign above their forehead that said, “Holiness to the Lord.”


You know, God wants to purge your mind. He wants to purge your consciousness and make it holy to the Lord. You know, your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost. God wants your soul and your spirit also to be temples to the Holy Ghost.


And God, He wants His imaginations, His dreams, His thoughts to be in you, His desires to be in you.


You know?

So it’s amazing. And moreover, not only. So he secured the promise by the blood, and then he sprinkled the tabernacle and the vessels of ministry. So, you know, we’re covered right, by the sacrifice and sanctified by the book. There’s only one way that we can do ministry, and that’s because of the blood of Jesus. I love something Andrew Wommack said years ago, “God’s never had anybody qualified working for Him yet, it is the blood of Jesus that qualified us.” And if you begin to study Colossians 1:12, it basically says that we are qualified for the promises of this new covenant through the blood. Glory! It is not because of our performance. It is not because of our goodness, it is because of the performance of Jesus. And that not only works in our spirit, it also works in our soul.

And I just love, I wanted to share too here in Hebrews 9:14, where it talks about the blood of Jesus is able to purge or to cleanse your conscience. The Greek word there for that purging or cleansing is catharitzo. And it’s like our word catharsis. You know, catharsis. It’s like a release of strong, repressed emotions maybe that we’re damaging, and there’s a release of it and then healing can happen.


Yeah, to cauterize. That’s when there’s a wound and it needs to be sealed off, so, you know, bacteria can’t grow and infection incurs. It has to be cauterized. So, God can actually cauterize, you know, your conscience, your soul, so there’s not infection going on in your soul.

And I’ve had God do that in my life.


And sometimes it’s taken a period of time.

And you know, that word, I kind of did a study on that word catharitzo, to purge, to cleanse. And it’s usually used when talking about the cleansing or the healing of a leper. And I think that’s a great picture of how Jesus would touch a leper and heal them. They’d be cleansed. He wants to touch your conscience. He wants to touch your soul. He wants to touch your imagination, and have that same cleansing. You know, if you could picture a leper being cleansed and healed. He wants to do that to your soul.

Amen. As Aaron’s been teaching, this has been coming to me, that there’s some of you that need to begin to dream again. And maybe you’ve been very hurt by a person of trust. Maybe you’ve been very wounded, but you need to begin to dream again, and let the blood of Jesus heal your soul. It not only heals you spiritually, right? You got a brand new spirit, but it’ll heal your soul. And sometimes people can be very damaging. They can be very, not even trying to sometimes. Some of you, you know, people, you’ve been very violated in certain areas and certain things, and you know. I had someone recently, and this person really had hurt me and he’d done things that were very, very, very difficult for me to deal with, and he had been in leadership. But it took a period of time, but God healed my soul. And when God healed my soul, then it’s easier for me to forgive that person and let go what they’ve done, even though they probably don’t even know it. Well, they might know it, how wrong they’ve really been in a lot of areas. But when God heals your soul and He heals those wounds of the past, then God can move you forward into His dreams and plans. And sometimes, I think those plans, it’s not that God put them on hold, but we have put the plans and purposes of God, the dreams of God on hold, because we’re not allowing the Holy Spirit, right, to work in our heart, to work in our soul, to really work the effects of what the blood of Jesus Christ has purchased for us, really work in our life.

And some of this cleansing that happens, this purging that happens in your soul. Sometimes it can happen very quickly, sometimes it takes a period of time. You know, I was even thinking about people who deal with various types of addictions. Maybe it’s a nicotine or an alcohol addiction.

Drug addiction.

Drug. Yeah. And I’ve, and that, like, those types of addictions, they’re partly physical, but also partly in the soul, partly affecting how, you know, how people think. But God can heal people of addictions.

You know, we had a woman that came to our church in Kit Carson and she had been to different drug rehabilitation centers several times and never got delivered. And the moment that she walked in our church, God delivered her. And God doesn’t always do that.

Because God can heal, He can purge, you know, not only leprosy, you know, the physical body, but He can also purge and cleanse your soul as well, your mind, your will, your emotions, your thoughts.

And a lot of times, we’re not receiving manifestations of physical promises in our life, because we haven’t allowed the work of the blood in our mind, our will and our emotions, in the area of our soul. So let God heal you, receive the healing of God. You know, let God minister to your emotions, minister to you in the area of your mind, of your will, and just heal that so you could get beyond that thing that’s really hurt you and move into those things that God ultimately has planned from the foundation of the world for you.

That’s awesome. I love that.

Praise the Lord. Aaron, go ahead and close it out here. Yeah, well just thank you so much for joining us. You know, if you’ve really been impacted by this teaching on the Divine Imagination, I especially love this aspect talking about how the blood of Jesus purges your conscience. If you’d like to order this series, you can call us here today. Maybe you need someone to just agree with you in prayer, just for healing in your soul. We have great prayer ministers here right now. Just give us a call. We’d be happy to pray and agree for that cleansing in your soul today.

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[Heather] Amen. We’re gonna have a lot of fun! We have Cathy Duplantis coming, so make plans and register today.

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